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GeeGees HEALTHQuestions, Announcements, News, Views & CommentsHow do I tell if my horse is pregnant? My friend and I have waited all morning to get a urine sample from her mare to test for pregnancy. Unfortunately we failed miserably!! The horse may be in the very early stages but we are unsure as she was bought only 5 weeks ago. The previous owners are unsure whether the mare ran with the stallion (or very reluctant to tell the truth). By looking at the mare you can see a slight swelling on the left hand side after a trot, pause and a rapid turn to the right. Is there any other means of visual diagnosis? What else should we look for? I understand that my friend has an appointment with the vet in the very near future, but she is too eager to wait the two weeks for the results to come back. Can you shed any light on the matter? allie.shaw@virgin.net
Laminitis My horse always gets Laminitis in the spring/summer... HELP...Abi1111@aol.com Riding after injury
My Arab x welsh pony has been out
of work for almost a year now due to kick Wind Sucking
I
would be grateful if you could please give us some advise on the
following. We have a horse at our stable that is a windsucker. Is this
serious. If so how would it affect the other horses. Should he be with
the other horses. Is there a cure. Many Thanks Yvonne gmcdougall@debswana.bw
Look at these links: http://www.horsedata.co.uk/windsucking.htm, http://www.kenilworthpress.co.uk/kenilworth/products/1-872082-98-X.html Someone in the Telegraph also said taped music helps. Regards, Sara , Webmaster, www.saddler.co.uk
Crib Biting
Please can you give me some advice on crib biting. We recently bought a fell pony who seems great in every way, he has a case of sweet itch which we are coping with but recently noticed him biting a fence post and wind sucking. Is this easily sorted or should we be worried about it. He has been idle for a while but soon will be doing a lot more. We plan to keep him out so if we treat the post with something ill tasting and get him a throat collar ,will this be enough. He does not do it constantly. Colin.Macdonald4@btinternet.com
I have been looking
after a crib biter / windsucker and
have found the following: (all backed up by intensive research on the web!)
Cribbing collars are
quite barbaric. The horse will be able to crib less intensively, so whoever
maintains the fence will try and make your pony wear one, but have you seen
the design?
1. The
tightness that is deemed effective results in the following. The double straps
fit tightly around the main glands situated between the cheekbone and throat,
which cannot be a good thing. Sustained external pressure on glands is always
unhealthy. My horse developed swollen glands as a result.
2. The
first and second strap put constant pressure across the poll and browband
area. These are areas that all modern equipment is designed to avoid
pressuring! Can you imagine the headache you would get if a tight strap were
fitted in a similar area of your head?!
3.
Whilst wearing the collar, I have observed that the two cribbers in our field
do not stand naturally. When resting their neck is more horizontal, with their
chin slightly protruding. Since being forced to put the collar on this horse
(2 weeks ago by a yard owner concerned, not unnaturally, for her fences) my
horse has developed stiffness in his lower back The owner of the other pony
in the field wearing a collar has confirmed that he always complains of a
stiff, sore back and neck. I find it hard to believe, having seen the shift in
the horse in my care's posture, then noted the exact same posture in the other
pony, that this is unrelated.
4.
Cribbing is now widely recognised as a behaviour that cribbing horses find
necessary. The reason for the behaviour may be a tendency towards gastric
ulcers (traditional thought implied that the ulcers were caused by the
cribbing) however endoscopy studies seem to suggest that foals who crib
already had raised stomach acid levels, whether through stress or diet. Or it
is suggested that some horses who are naturally a more 'worried' or neurotic
type crib to release endorphins which make them feel less depressed or
stressed. Whatever the reason, if a horse gains some sort of 'release' from
this behaviour, simply preventing it is likely to cause bodily or
psychological damage. The horse with acid stomach will be in pain it is unable
to relieve, whilst the worried or depressed horse will decline mentally. I see
a direct correlation here with my friend's pony, who is constantly angry in
the winter when his collar is on permanently. Is he a dominant pony who is
worse because the collar makes his head and throat sore? Or is it because he
needs the relief of cribbing to help his stomach/mental condition? We can't
answer this. but we CAN attempt to help our horses without strapping them up
in cruel collars.
Firstly: ensure your pony has plenty of access to forage. I know this is hard if you have a native - in the summer it is tempting to put them in a starvation paddock to prevent laminitis. If you must do this, or if grass is poor, consider giving access instead to a type of dried hay or forage which is lower in sugars, but still always available. I have observed that the decline in grass as the summer has ended has coincided with the horse in my care cribbing again, when this had been extremely rare since I started feeding him an anti acid diet. The yard owner confirms that cribbing gets worse as the winter progresses This horse is now moving to a yard where giant round bales of hay are left in the field, so even if the grass declines, the animals need never get hungry and frustrated. Hopefully your pony can live out at all times and will not be confined to a stable? If he is stabled he will need constant access to forage, but if his cribbing is psychological and he craves social interaction or mental stimulation he may still crib. Outdoors with a familiar herd, where he knows his place in the pecking order is best. nb. Yards where new horses are regularly introduced to the herd may not be ideal as our horses clearly crib more when this stressful event occurs. Remember, variety in living arrangements is more often a cause of stress to a horse than familiarity and routine! Also avoid fields where horses are fed in front of your horse, whilst he may be hungry. The cribbers inevitably come and crib at the fence if others are being fed in front of them. This is again a frustrating, unnatural and stressful situation for horses. I believe yard owners should forbid it. Feed an anti acid diet. The horse in my care was always touchy about his tummy in the first few weeks that I knew him. After bringing him in his belly would be quite distended and he would pass a lot of gas. Accordingly, I experimented and found that feeding him a scoop of alfalfa and a scoop of chaff with added limestone had a great result. This small amount of food yields amazing results: within 20 minutes a large amount of quite impacted droppings is released, along with lots of blocked gas afterwards. I can only surmise that the small feed helps 'push' the impacted food out allowing for release of the gas. My horse then stand quietly, his belly smaller. He always has a hay net and chews away instead of cribbing on his rope. nb. Remember, this is a small amount of 'forage' food - it is dangerous to feed a horse more if you are riding him within an hour or so. You may be feeding your pony with nuts that are high in grain or concentrate food? This should be avoided where possible. Grain and concentrate are very acid producing. There is no point in feeding antacids if you are causing acid production in the first place! As winter proceeds and the grazing is poorer, or with a very frequent cribber the following should help: nb. Commercial antacids are predictably and infuriatingly expensive. perhaps your horse will go for the 'diy' option at the end?! Daniel Mills and Clare MacLeod showed that feeding adult horses an antacid diet led to a reduction in cribbing activity after just one week. Further reductions in cribbing occurred when the antacid diet was fed for another five weeks. They also found that neither age, nor the duration of the cribbing behaviour prior to being fed the antacid diet, affected the effectiveness of the treatment. (6) ENPS stands for:Equine Nutrition and Physiology Society. Perhaps those interested in knowing more could contact the Society for the abstracts/proceedings. "The ENPS meetings held in Michigan this last week had some very interesting papers. Of great interest to horse owners were three papers; one on stomach pH & cribbing behaviour in adult horses & two on the incidence of stomach ulcers, anti-acids in feed & cribbing in foals. First paper by H.C.Lillie et al, at Auburn University, looked at the pH of the stomachs of horses that cribbed & also of horses that did not crib. Cribbers all had a more acidic stomach (lower pH), than the non-cribbers. There was greater variation in the pHs of the stomachs of cribbing horses which might be related to the amount of cribbing they did. The authors concluded that this supported the theory that horses crib to relieve their stomachs & GI tracts of irritation. It has been hypothesized that that cribbing causes production of more saliva, & as saliva is alkaline it can help off set the acidity. Other two studies, looking at foals at various breeding farms in England, were done by A. Badnell-Waters et al, of Bristol University. In the first the condition of the foals stomach was strongly correlated to the onset & frequency of cribbing. The factors that affected the cribbing behaviour were high intake of concentrate, being stalled & weaning alone. On endoscopic examination the foals that cribbed all had evidence of inflammation of the stomach walls and ulceration. Non-cribbers showed no ulceration nor inflammation. In second of the foal studies, they gave the cribbing foals one of two diets, one that was a normal foal pellet & the others had the same diet plus anti-acids. The foals that were given the anti-acid diet significantly reduced their cribbing behavior. So the bottom line here is: If your horse cribs try adding anti-acids to his diet. You can do this by using one of the commercial anti-acids, TractGard, U-Gard, or Neighlox. Or you can try adding calcium carbonate (ground limestone) about 2 tablespoons per meal, or sodium bicarbonate about 2 tablespoons per meal. Neither bicarb nor limestone are particularly palatable so if the horse won¹t eat them try one of the commercial anti-acids. If you are breeding foals, make sure they don¹t get too much concentrate feed & if you are feeding them concentrates add anti-acids to the meals." I do hope this helps! Susie
Worming
Please can you help ? I have a 2 year old new forest pony that I got from a rescue centre, can you tell me the best type of worming product for her ? PORTERRICHARD751@cs.com Use sachets. They go into the feed. you should be able to get a box of sachets from your nearest CENTRAL WOOL GROWERS. Micheal.
Fair to Ride?
HI Me and my friend are considering buying a 14.3hh 6yr old mare from a riding school but the only thing is that I weigh 9 stone and am 5ft 3" tall is it fair to this horse as she is not the cobby type! Please help me. Lindsay@lmoore17.freeserve.co.uk
GeeGees replies... The height of the horse does not, unfortunately, determine how much weight it can carry. Some heavily built ponies are quite capable of a carrying grown man, whilst some fine 16hh thoroughbred types are not! The riding school from where you are buying, if decent, should advise you on the suitability of the pony for you.
Sweet Itch
Help! I was hoping to show my Arab this summer but he has started scratching his mane and tail I have tried load's of sweet-itch products but none seem to work. DO you have any ideas of what I could use before he has none left. mark.randall1@virgin.net
Are you certain it is sweet itch and not just a general kind of allergy? This is important as the products used would differ. You could try putting sulphur powder/tablets in her feed as it does eventually help horse with this condition. I have an arab and I use it with her. My aunt years ago used flowers of sulphur with her horse who had bad sweet itch - the change was amazing. You could also invest in a Boett blanket from the national sweet itch helpline. My vet has given me a couple of unlicenced products - one called frontline, another is for cows - it kills flies if they land on the horse. I have also used Dermobion gel to stimulate new hair growth, although this has not been on mane and tail. Good luck Jacqui
Sweet Itch
I have a question about sweet itch. What shall I try? Sophie Furlong.1@btinternet.com
We have a very pretty pony who suffers from sweat itch very badly. We have tried Indian herbs, injections from the vet and feeding/applying garlic oil to her: These worked O.K. but the best way we have found to lessen her suffering is to totally cover her up for most of the year. She wears a light weight rug with a tail guard and a hood! Although many people who visit the stables feel sorry for her, she now has a beautiful mane and her tail is improving marcwillis@compuserve.com
Pressure Lumps
I would be really grateful if someone could give me advice on pressure lumps. A horse I ride has pressure lumps on his back and I'm not sure what I should do, whether I should just not ride him until the lumps go down, or seek medical attention from a vet. If anyone has any ideas I would be most grateful. Nicola. ham@ebrent.freeserve.co.uk
Plastic Shoes
I was thinking of using those new plastic replacement road shoes that are advertised in most Robinsons' catalogues. I would love any one who has tried them to give me a recommendation on them, would you use them again ? Are they safe ? Can they be used for roads only? And can they be used for only light or heavy hacking? Are they hard to put on ? Do the horses tend to slip when you put them on ? Any information would be very much appreciated. Thanks, Joelle khartley@khart.karoo.co.uk
Feeding
I am getting a 13.1hh welsh type pony soon and wondering what I should feed her. She is about 15 and tends to get chubby and is prone to laminitis. She will be ridden nearly every day including weekends. I'm not sure if she will need a feed in the summer anyway. please email me at ally_rox@hotmail thanx, Alice
I would feed her one large flake of oat hay or alfalfa hay( depending if she is allergic or not.) for breakfast and lunch. I suggest to stay away from oats or oat hay because it tends to make horses to hot to handle. Also if you feel it is necessary, a scoop of pellets everyday or every other day won't hurt. Plenty of treats are fine to. bojen@dellnet.com
We have a pony who has suffered in the past. We now use Spillers Happy Hoof and equlibra. Happy hoof is great and the pony loves it. jacqui
Breathing Problems
I have a lovely M/W gelding who suffers from the dreaded stable dust allergy. I do all the usually things like soaking his hay, feed and keep him on rubber matting and paper bedding. Does anyone out there have any herbal remedy tips they could let me have to help him on his worst days. Sometimes it can be quite heartbreaking. Any ideas out there! Many thanks. Sally.Nice@chase.com
In response to your request for any ideas .I have new forest who developed breathing difficulties which my vet thought was brought on by dry hay etc. He was put on ventipulmin which eased it, but is very expensive. I now have him on Super Solvitax respiration formula [12.50 a can] and 2months later he's back to normal I can now stand him in whereas before he laboured after a few minutes. try it and see if it works for you .[ the oil takes a few days to work] good luck Sue suze@suze.screaming.net
In reply to the query about dust allergy. I had a pony who had very severe dust allergy. I moved her to a stable well away from others using hay/straw and put her on shavings and horsehage. She was fine on that but even getting close to hay or straw set her off again. The good news is that after one winter of this regimen, she was OK on soaked hay and the following winter could have dry hay. I would change to horsehage completely for a while and see. It is expensive but not as expensive as ventipulmin. carolinerees@freecall-uk.co.uk I have a horse that has breathing problems but I don't think it's caused by dust. I believe she has polyps in her nasal passages and at 25 years of age I will not do surgery on her. I have her on herbs and it really seems to help. There is a place called Chamisa Ridge that carries Hilton Herbs that has all kinds of herb mixes for different ailments and they will even make a mix to meet your specific needs. You might want to give them a call to see what they recommend. 1 (800) 473-3188 or www.chamisaridge.com. They are in New Mexico. Good Luck!
Itchy Legs
I'm the proud owner of a "show" type Cob who happens to be a skewbald but who seems always to want to scratch her back legs and always around the area between the heel and fetlock joint on her back legs. The skin is clean of scabs (mud fever). I've shampooed with T-Tree shampoo, shaken louse/pest powder, rubbed in MSM cream, Sudocrem (nappy cream) and even baby oil a couple of times. Can anyone give any more advice please? I'm at my wits end! By the way she's on straw, is fed Phase Four with Fibre Blend and little oil mixed in. Nikki. Please reply to me at sales@offroadstore.co.uk
My piebald cob used to stamp his hind legs and itch them all the time. We tried bathing them, clipping them so nothing could irritate them but nothing worked. Then my vet suggested spraying them with Frontline as it could be mites causing him to be so itchy. We sprayed his legs 6 weeks ago and they haven't itched since. We spray them every 6-8 weeks to makes sure the itchiness doesn't come back. It has worked wonders and you can get Frontline from your vet (its supposed to be for dogs and cats but works super on horses!). Good luck ! PRemingtonM@aol.com Hello, I was curious as to the recommendation for the use of frontline to control flies on horses. Has your vet been using this safely and effectively for fly control? How does he recommend applying it? how often? I am a Vet Tech in a small animal practice and I am so pleased with frontlines effectiveness w/ flea control I have often wondered how it would work for flies, lice etc.. on horses. Teresa
Kicking Doors
I work at a stables and the horses there are all sweet and hard-working. The people there are just as kind. Sometimes the horses kick the door and smack the door with their chin, why is this? At this stable's there is one horse called Josh and I was just about to get his afternoon feed bucket when he picked it up with his teeth and gave it to me! Sweet or what?! Please try to answer my question, and I hope that we will all treat horse the same and hope no-one never mistreat them. I think they are the best animals in the world and why would anyone want to hurt these poor innocent creatures!? Thanx Amy! DELAATSANDMARI@aol.com
Canter Leads
I have a question about my mare. She is a 16 year old Thoroughbred+quarter. She has problems keeping one lead in the canter. She wasn't used much when I got her so she was stiff then. I think its due to older age and a stiffness in the hocks. She seems to pop, or in other words change from the right lead to the wrong lead. She can pick up both leads perfectly fine she just cant keep one for very long. Do you have any solutions to get my mare cantering better. Possibly some exercises or supplement? She is on Grand Flex right now. Please e-mail me back at countrynights1999@yahoo.com
GeeGees suggests....before treating the symptoms, have a look at the cause. At 16 she needn't be that stiff. It may be well worth investing in having a reputable equine chiropractor or osteopath to see if they can do anything before you start splashing out on supplements that may not actually do anything to help in the long run.
Citronella Warning in Response to Citronella Send replies to http://www.horsedata.co.uk/contact_us.htm
As an equine aromatherapist I am very concerned by your tip for fly spray. Citronella is extremely strong and can blister the skin, it is also photosensitive and as such can cause accelerated extreme sun burn. Mixing it with water will make no difference to the harsh effects of the oil as with out a dispersant the oil will not mix the water. In some cases I have seen severe permanent scarring as a result of doing just this.
With regard to the concerns raised by the aromatherapist re. spraying Citronella oil. A friend of mine uses neat citronella on her hat and a citronella/lavender blend on her own skin (using a 1% dilution in a base oil as she has sensitive skin). This seems to do the trick for her when riding, she is very susceptible to sand fly bites and this keeps them away.
Urgent Help Wanted Send replies to http://www.horsedata.co.uk/contact_us.htm
Please can you help urgently. I write in hope on a friends behalf she has a section d stallion who seems to have all the symptoms of human ulcerative colitis. He started off by having colic, the vet came out and treated him for it .he then got laminitis straight after which the vet said was drug related so he was then treated for it with phenelbutezone and a diet of alfalfa chaff. he now seems to of got over the laminitis . But now he has watery stools constantly and is not eating anything . The vet says he has never seen anything like it and has no clue what it can be . I cant stress how ill this horse is he really needs help badly ,we do not know what to do and the vet says he cant help either. I saw something in Aprils your horse magazine about a illness linked to Crohns disease which is similar to ulcerative colitis is it possible that this horse has this if not what then please help how can I treat him ? what can i do ? I'm hoping he will last long enough so i may save him he has been ill for 2 weeks.. Please can you help or even guide me in the right direction. yours hopefully liza + chris
GeeGees Replies... As a matter of urgency, your friend must either seek a second opinion or insist on a referral to a veterinary college hospital. If the vet has no idea what is wrong with the horse, he should do the latter anyway - he can not just ignore the illness just because he has no idea what it is. I sincerely hope your friend had the foresight to insure the horse. Please be aware that there is no substitute for qualified veterinary advice.
I'm not sure that it would be relevant for the horse that you are dealing with, but in Australia we have had many unusual and seldom heard of diseases assisted or cured with simple things like seaweed meal and dolomite. One of my horses has even had a cancer cured over his eye by a combination of dolomite (1 dessertspoon daily), seaweed meal (1 dessertspoon daily) and copper sulphate (1/2 teaspoon daily). Its' a possible thought for your horses. Another thing that has been found useful in humans with ulcerative colitis is nicotine, in either patch or gum form. How you would administer this to a horse is a different story, but it might give you a few things to trial. I hope the horse pulls through. Jinny. southward.pdh@ansonic.com.au
My friends gelding had problems with his stools being watery caused by an allergy to alfalfa try feeding something else her horse suffered for nearly a year with numerous tests by the vet until she read about alfalfa. I hope this is of some use. Devoutdiva@aol.com
You could try the forever living product aloe vera gel, it has helped humans with this also the same product has helped horses with ulcers. I do stress to use this product not just one from health food shop. if you look up their web site, forever living products, they have a vet on their advisory board, he is brilliant, the thing is you have nothing to lose buy trying this product as it is natural and won't interfere with anything already prescribed. if you need a contact telephone in uk for this will be happy to oblige.
Dandruff ?
I have recently bought a 13.2 hh bay mare, she is a lovely pony but her coat is quite flaky, it looks like she has dandruff ! and it is obvious because her coat is dark, can anyone suggest anything that would improve the condition ? vickee@robinson6781.fsnet.co.uk
In response to your question on flaky coats. I am sure lots of people will recommend all sorts of lotions and potions but there is no other long term cure than good old fashioned grooming and lots of it. Along with a balanced diet and a little sunflower oil added to feeds there is no other way. I think nowadays everyone is looking for a quick way to school with gadgets, to groom with lotions, and no one thinks what is best for their horse. regards miranda simonr.aldridge@virginnet.co.uk
Teeth Send replies to: Karen.Hockey@bankofamerica.com
Could you please confirm how many incisors a two year old horse should have?
GeeGees says...Up to the age of around 2 and a half years of age a horse will have a total of 6 upper incisors and 6 lower incisors. These are temporary and may be shed at any stage between 2 to 4+ years of age. They are gradually replaced by permanent teeth.
Winter Feeding Send replies to: Rosemary.ROSS@hcs.uhi.ac.uk
I
would like information on feeding my two horses this winter. the first
is a 16 year old 13 hands welsh mare who is very prone to laminitis, the
vets have told us to cut out all hard feed but i feel as if she needs
some sort of supplement, she is currently only getting 2 haynets a
day. The second is a 13.2hands Arab cross 5 year old mare who is
hopefully pregnant. she is currently getting 1.5lbs of pony nuts along
with 1lbs of sugar beet pulp. Yours sincerely, Rosemary Ross
Head Shaker Send replies to: gemma_bilton@breathemail.net
Any
Suggestions?
Help - Horse Injury
Send
replies to:
earl@paston.co.uk I would be most grateful if someone could give me any information on the prospects of a serious injury suffered by my young horse recently while show-jumping. She apparently jumped on a flint or piece of glass and has a cut about 3" long and 1/2 " deep along her frog and extending into her heel, the whole of her foot appears unstable in that area. My vet (who is a horse specialist) cannot tell me if or when she will be rideable again and I am desperate to find anyone who has some experience of this type of injury so I can get an idea of what to do. At the moment she is not in much pain but it is a nightmare keeping it clean. We have tried an equiboot but this is making her heel sore also makes her foot moist all the time - despite using rubber flooring which is used together with paper bedding, which our vet thinks this is probably just about the best thing we could have. Please, please, I really would like to hear from anyone who can give me any information about this as I am desperate to find out how long it will take before she can at least be turned out normally and (hopefully) ridden. Yvonne
Thin Tail Send replies to: Mrenema@fame.com
Query/Advice
Needed! I
have recently bought a Trackehner mare who has a really thick lovely
mane but very poor thin tail. Does anyone have any tips how I can get
her tail to full thickness/better condition?
Static Shocks Send replies to: JAMES-CL@beaconsfieldhigh.bucks.sch.uk
Can Any One Help Me????? I have recently been receiving static shocks from my pony. He feels them too and so he is loosing his trust in me. Has any one had any experience of this before and has any one got any ideas of what may be causing it or how to prevent it?? Claire James
Equine Therapy Send reply to: ANNEDAVI@aol.com
I wonder if you would be so kind as to give me some advice.... I turned my horse out into the paddock at the stables where she is a livery, (along with another horse which she has been turned out with for three to four months). I then proceeded to go to work. I had a phone call about an hour later to tell me my horse had been attacked by the gelding which she was turned out with. She sustained various cuts and bruises but the worst of which being on her neck (where the gelding had hold of her). I would like to ask 2 questions... 1)
could I claim of the other horses owners insurance?
How do you rescue an abused horse?
Initial email message to GeeGees... "I am trying to rescue a horse that has been and is still being abused terribly. Owner wants $3,000.00. Have good home but cannot come up with that amount of money in time period provided. Need info on where to locate donations. Contact for particulars. Local authorities no help!!
GeeGees response... "I am making a guess that you are located in the US. I have done a search on the Web for you and have come up with the following page with a list of links for horse welfare in the US. These may be of some use to you. http://altavista.looksmart.com/eus1/eus141561/eus163430/eus163785/eus170664/r?l&izf& If, in this country [UK], an individual witnesses any domesticated animal being abused/neglected/maltreated, our first port of call would be the RSPCA. The latter would not hesitate to send an inspector round to assess the situation. Only the authorities like the RSPCA, the police, etc have the legal rights to remove the animal for its protection and bring legal action against the perpetrator of the abuse. There must be similar organisations in the US. Think about your actions carefully. By paying this individual $3000 for a horse he has produced by cruelty, you are in affect, condoning and rewarding his actions. Far better to have the horse removed to safety in addition to legally preventing this person from keeping animals, perhaps ever again."
Response to GeeGees response... "Yes I am in the U.S., The Ozarks, MO., to be exact. Local police told me to mind my own business. Rescue groups too far away to respond. I have rescued dogs and cats in the area and the only way to do it around here is to purchase. Laws in MO for animals are only enforced in the cities and we are very rural. Here the way they take care of it is to terrorize the person making the complaint. I have references to prove that I am of good character and not a scam artist. New legislation is coming but for many animals in this area it may too late. ... " |
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